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Science and Religion

Post by magmacube_tr » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:11 pm

'' Religion without science is blind, Science without Religion is crippled ''

Science and Religion creates some sort of yin-yang.

One cannot be fully capable without their counterpart.

While Science defines the things that happening, happened and will happen, Religion defines the purpose of the thing.

This is my opinion.
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Re: Science and Religion

Post by naturegirl1999 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:54 am

I think it's fine to have a religion, as long as the person holding the religious belief doesn't try to denounce scientific discoveries. However, I think science can do fine without religion.

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Re: Science and Religion

Post by MaximumJames » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:24 am

I just came up with this little rant and I was kind of proud of it and decided it belonged in this forum more than the original post.

After at least 1500 years of overwhelming influence in both moral and social ways i think we're stuck with christian thinking whether we like it or not and whether you decide to actually believe in god or not isn't as big of a deal as it feels.

If Rome gets sacked and you live there, it probably doesn't matter what the belief system was that allowed the pillaging to occur. The result is the same. If you destroy a culture, or country, the understanding of technology ( or nature) may have helped with the efficiency and scale of the destruction but it is still a basic decision to eliminate a perceived threat (and maybe make some money along the way). Whether this was felt by individuals to be done for the sake of correct religious beliefs, justice, or resources, it is still emotionally influenced thinking that ends in the decision to destroy with the usual consequences.

It is only when a thought or idea causes another pattern of decisions and reactions to occur that it actually changes anything (besides your comfort zone) and the change usually seems to result from access to resources and tangible things changing peoples needs and emotional focus rather than the perceived connotations of the idea itself.

So whether you believe in creationism or not it doesn't really matter and it only satisfies our need for self-identity in our relationship with nature, rather than make us better/smarter people unless it somehow changes the decisions and actions we make, of which there seems to be a finite variety of anyway.

Take global warming. We are all talking about it, after all it is the fate of mankind that is either in danger or not, but no one is actually doing anything about it except talk with the exception of a small portion of our species; no matter which side we are on. People will recycle, buy electric cars, argue, and do other symbolic gestures that help somewhat but only a few people are doing things that actually dramatically impact the way they live their lives. I mean things that change life patterns like not driving and working closer to where you live or riding the bike long distances with your own power or completely giving up the use of plastic. I know I just ate at McDonald's yesterday.
If you or I was constantly hungry, lost half of the kids to disease and starvation, nobody is getting old and your teeth hurt, I think then the worry becomes what won't people do to survive against global warming.

Oh, and Jesus is gay! (Almost forgot I was was a teenager in the 90's.) <---Just a joke about my own dumb brain.

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Re: Science and Religion

Post by magmacube_tr » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:05 pm

MaximumJames wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:24 am
I just came up with this little rant and I was kind of proud of it and decided it belonged in this forum more than the original post.

After at least 1500 years of overwhelming influence in both moral and social ways i think we're stuck with christian thinking whether we like it or not and whether you decide to actually believe in god or not isn't as big of a deal as it feels.

If Rome gets sacked and you live there, it probably doesn't matter what the belief system was that allowed the pillaging to occur. The result is the same. If you destroy a culture, or country, the understanding of technology ( or nature) may have helped with the efficiency and scale of the destruction but it is still a basic decision to eliminate a perceived threat (and maybe make some money along the way). Whether this was felt by individuals to be done for the sake of correct religious beliefs, justice, or resources, it is still emotionally influenced thinking that ends in the decision to destroy with the usual consequences.

It is only when a thought or idea causes another pattern of decisions and reactions to occur that it actually changes anything (besides your comfort zone) and the change usually seems to result from access to resources and tangible things changing peoples needs and emotional focus rather than the perceived connotations of the idea itself.

So whether you believe in creationism or not it doesn't really matter and it only satisfies our need for self-identity in our relationship with nature, rather than make us better/smarter people unless it somehow changes the decisions and actions we make, of which there seems to be a finite variety of anyway.

Take global warming. We are all talking about it, after all it is the fate of mankind that is either in danger or not, but no one is actually doing anything about it except talk with the exception of a small portion of our species; no matter which side we are on. People will recycle, buy electric cars, argue, and do other symbolic gestures that help somewhat but only a few people are doing things that actually dramatically impact the way they live their lives. I mean things that change life patterns like not driving and working closer to where you live or riding the bike long distances with your own power or completely giving up the use of plastic. I know I just ate at McDonald's yesterday.
If you or I was constantly hungry, lost half of the kids to disease and starvation, nobody is getting old and your teeth hurt, I think then the worry becomes what won't people do to survive against global warming.

Oh, and Jesus is gay! (Almost forgot I was was a teenager in the 90's.) <---Just a joke about my own dumb brain.
People only care when it directly affects them. So the end is neigh.

Oh; and A T A T U R K I S G A Y Gets assassinated
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Re: Science and Religion

Post by MaximumJames » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:01 am

Unless you do something with your new perspective that changes peoples action in a broad spread out...hmmm....
I don't think there is going to be an end of the world, hopefully, but I think our global machine might be too complicated and precariously balanced to last long term without god or nature or whatever giving us a backhand and reducing us too more basic survival systems until we get it right.

In terms of only caring when directly effected, I think that's a big problem, but pictures help.

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I thought Ataturk was supposed to be an exceptional and cool guy. Was he supposed to be actually gay or is he supposed to be above slander or is he just kind of like a modern jesus without being a jesus (obviously)? (Being gay is fine by me, I have a lot of respect for what that Jesus guy got going)

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