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I'm mainly using these definitions
Culture is the systems of knowledge shared by a relatively large group of people.
Culture is communication, communication is culture.
Culture in its broadest sense is cultivated behavior; that is the totality of a person's learned, accumulated experience which is socially transmitted, or more briefly, behavior through social learning.
A culture is a way of life of a group of people--the behaviors, beliefs, values, and symbols that they accept, generally without thinking about them, and that are passed along by communication and imitation from one generation to the next.
That is, I consider culture to be inherited behaviour that happens to not be instinctual. You have different groups of orcas acting in different manners, using different dialects and different hunting strategies, these are passed on to their offspring isolated captive orcas do not display these, etc. The whole inclusion in your mind of "leisure activities quote for things not absolutely directly related to survival, I think is you just trying to make humans feel more special, since we've managed to somehow get to a point where we actually have leisure time. And I'm sure some of this behavior, is definitely you socially, we are talking about social animals after all.
It's like you didn't even read the definitions he was using before you responded.
I did read the definitions, but those are not definitions used by anthropology. Using those definitions is like using a biological definition of chemistry.
It is also like you just ignored all of my other points. The different "dialects" has been observed and studied in resident orcas (north and south). They have a range that they stay within, so the "dialects" could just be environment dependent. Not too mention, the fact that orcas are almost certainly more than one sub-species (if not species), so how much of that is sub-species specific and species specific behavior?
My point is that there are too many unknowns to say if orcas definitively have culture. We have more definitive evidence for Neanderthal culture, yet because we have so many unknowns, most authorities will only say that Neanderthals likely had culture. Nearly a third of the field still rejects that idea.
Wait... Wait a momment.
"You have different groups of orcas acting in different manners, using different dialects and different hunting strategies, these are passed on to their offspring isolated captive orcas do not display these, etc"
The offspring are not isolated from birth. If killer whales had culture, these individuals should have culture. The thing about social transmission, it makes integration into a foreign population easier. Keiko the Orca failed to reintergrate, you could argue due habituation or due to a failure of social transmission.
Also, hunting is actually completely instinctive. If it was, then why do we have to teach captive born predators how hunt?